Update 3

Wow. Creative. Even though Great Knights are already too much better than Paladins... I hope pallies get majorly buffed.

Will Generals be able to do this? Also, a similar ability for the Rogue might be useful, except instead of defending, he escapes.

Also, can you barge with your retreat movement? Will mounts even have retreat movement after attacking? Cause that would be really in the favor of Greatknights (and really annoying if baddies have them)

Generals will have something new I am trying to think of. Something unique to them that makes them a worthwhile unit. That's what Im going for in each and every class.

Generals are already too good. Big Shield does kind of suck, but really, do Generals *need* a buff?

Maybe an occasional use defense instead of resistance... that might be way too good, though.

Well, generals will also get some changes in order to make them more balanced.

Because I'm trying to balance them. They have epic defense, good strength, and decent skill. The only thing wrong with them is being slow and low resistance. However, the speedy units usually have low strength (too low to get around their defense) and magic units can easily be obliterated by a first attack or counterattack. Weapon triangle control would make them broken. So, some stuff must be changes to make them more balanced....

Well, if you ask me, magic units should be something for the Generals to fear. Make Generals have near-zero resistance and... Hmm... maybe a spell that does effective damage against armored foes.

I am thinking of making them units more suited for defending against enemy assaults than actually walking out into the field and slaying everything in sight.

how do i actually download the game(also an avatar)

The game does not have a demo out yet for download.

Kilik 64 wrote:

The game does not have a demo out yet for download.

Yes, but it will soon.

Why not have generals be able to only use spear so they don't dominate the weapon triangle drop speed to 1 and give the crappy growth in speed drop res down to 0, That way they are a pit less abusive. And as for skill why not savior up defense and res by 2 while rescuing and ally.

Speed to 1 and res to 0??? That's insane. Generals would be absolutely useless.

Speed on Generals doesn't matter give them killer weapons it will instantly make up for their horrible speed and the 0 for res is to makes them vulnerable and bring a whole new difficulty to your strategies. An not many people would try and stand their weak mage against a giant on the field. Most importantly it will make enemy generals more than this big shield to hammer on they can actually do damage. An 0 res on a general is common in Fire Emblem Gaiden on the NES. Plus their high HP makes them able to take a couple magic attacks.

1) You can't say a stat doesn't matter (except MAG for physical units in FE9/10). That's crazy-talk. I don't want my General being doubled by EVERY SINGLE enemy he faces. He'd get destroyed.

2) Killer weapons? Seriously, you get like two of every killer weapon in normal FE games. Not enough there, sonny. And the other units who could use them get shafted.

3) Generals have crappy RES anyways, why does it need to be lower?

4) Most people WILL send a mage against a General, because he/she will be very effective. The mage attacks from range, dealing a huge amount of damage, most likely twice, without a counterattack. Then you either rescue the mage, or place another unit in front of him/her.

5) ...What about enemy generals? The hardest Early- and Midgame bosses are Generals, because of their insane DEF and STR. Nullifying their RES takes away any challenge in defeating them.

6) That's FE Gaiden. Not the current FE format.

7) ...Not quite. Maybe they'll stand up to one mage that's thrown against them, but with the non-existant resistance you're suggesting, they'll get absolutely annihilated.

Generals would be pretty much useless without SPD or RES. Those two stats are low enough as it is. Note that this is coming from a player who VERY RARELY uses ANY knight/general. Even Oswin. I don't like them, and I think this would destroy the class in general.

EDIT: Wow, that got long really fast. XD

True about the res...but a good general still needs SOME speed.

The generals high HP allows them to take some abuse from mages and then it is just a good way to level your clerics off of healing him.

...But what if someone else is hurt, and my Clerics are stuck healing the General? ...Too many flaws there. I understand wanting to power down the General class, but what you're suggesting would make them absolutely suck. =/

It agree with BSmith3. Amazingly enough, the makers of Fire Emblem were able to balance the classes relatively well.

It was just and idea but do you guys at least agree on spear only so they can't abuse the weapon triangle with their monstrous caps and growths.

The speed of a general is fine, but I'm thinking of lowering res. With really low res, you will have to constantly be aware of where the magic users are on the field. You'll need to use more strategy then just "go out and kill". And generals will use lances and swords probably. It makes moe sense than axes. As for their ability... you'll find out later.

I think that generals can't keep swords that's 4 sure.
Personally I think that the stat caps and growth rates are good as they are, but if u rele want to change it they could have maybe lower res rate, coz my oswin (god i love that game) nearly maxed out everything without items and most mages could only do 10 damage.

as a skill, what if you gave them the ability to "defend" or "guard" another unit? regardless of con and with no negative stat ailments (ie spd and skl stay the same) they can "guard" the unit so that when it is attacked, the general takes the damage and is put into the fight as opposed to the unit under fire.

Don't you think Generals are fine as they are? I understand them having really powerful defensive abilities despite the lack of speed and still good damaging power but they're no good for missions you have to move with haste. (That chapter with Murdock in FE6) Heck, most terrain obstackles like forests push down their already lacking mobility. What they are good for is stationery defending. As enemy units, they can be used as blockades to slow you down in missions where speed and good mobility is critical.

I decided against the speed nerfing idea, because Bsmith showed me how badly it kills generals. However, the res lowering thing is still very much under consideration, because I should not be able to take a general and charge him into a room full of magic users unafraid of their attacks. If you happen to get RNG blessed, fine. But the average general should see magic users as a constant threat.